| jsbritton
- 11 Mar 2012
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ajflanagan said: Suggesting that we need to change the name of our event is certainly NOT POSITIVE.
It's not going to happen. Too much is set in motion. Too much time and money has been invested. Sponsors are lined up and have invested in the event. A name change is simply not going to happen on our end.
I'm done with this topic. Continue to debate if you wish. Or just participate in the EVP currently being discussed. At least that will actually have some impact on reality. |
less is more. this consise response makes things more clear than the other one. i should add too that i didn't mean specifically this year, or these two tournaments. i have always felt this way, even when there was only one per year.
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| Mike C
- 11 Mar 2012
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In 2011, there was a lot of time and effort for many months by the UNAP team to make that event a great event, with new formats, initiatives and events.
The Houston World Champioships started in 2011. We've added new members to the team, we have listened to the comments of the community and we have been working hard as a unit to put together a great event for our players.
The youth event was a great success and I see the development of some of those players to develop the foundation of play for years to come. I see 5 or more of the youth players finishing in the top 50 in this tournament.
Economically, demographically and morally Houston is a better place to have the World Championship.
The Houston World Champion is going to be great air hockey.
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| jsbritton
- 11 Mar 2012
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Mike C said: In 2011, there was a lot of time and effort for many months by the UNAP team to make that event a great event, with new formats, initiatives and events.
The Houston World Champioships started in 2011. We've added new members to the team, we have listened to the comments of the community and we have been working hard as a unit to put together a great event for our players.
The youth event was a great success and I see the development of some of those players to develop the foundation of play for years to come. I see 5 or more of the youth players finishing in the top 50 in this tournament.
Economically, demographically and morally Houston is a better place to have the World Championship.
The Houston World Champion is going to be great air hockey. |
all of this makes sense unless you take the other route which is that the world championships should be a showcase event for invited top players, where vegas is certainly a better fit. i am not ivolved in, or wish to take part in, any "debate", nor do i have an "agenda". maybe i should put that in a "disclaimer", because certain people aroung here always find a way to ignore that fact. instead, i have always stepped forward to help any and every promoter in whatever small or large way that i could if asked.
everyone on this site knew about the vegas tournament before i did, and certainly the houston tournament as well.
i'm just playing the devil's advocate, becuase i can easily see value in both sides of this. it didn't even occur to me that ehab may have been referring to this year's tournament. he didn't state that, so i have no idea if that is in fact, what he meant.
jsb
air hockey player
holder of various usaa rankings since 2001
former most intense and positive air hockey enthusiast alive
musician who has used mallets and pucks on stage for sonic purposes
guy who can stand at the table longer than you ... no matter what
former accidental air hockey politician
usaa member of some current standing
guy who formerly believed that titles were trite and silly ;)
sushi lover...
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| fupersly
- 11 Mar 2012
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Mike C said: | Economically, demographically and morally Houston is a better place to have the World Championship. |
Whoa... exactly when did "morality" enter the picture in this discussion? If this is going to be the crux of an argument about what conditions we should be holding the World Championship tournament under, we're never going to agree on anything. Please let the record state that this is not a "moral" issue. It seems to me that it's well past time for the involved parties to take a step back and stop viewing every comment as a personal assault.
And Andrew, you can consider this comment negative if you like, but I haven't seen Michael on here trying to defend his position and calling people out for not agreeing with him. He simply posted his announcement and is letting the cards fall where they may. If you are so confident in your event (and I have every reason to believe you should be), why not do the same? I understand that you have an investment in the effort and commitments your team has made so far, but your tournament is going to be judged on its merits, not solely on the name of the event.
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| jsbritton
- 11 Mar 2012
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joe said ... "Whoa... exactly when did "morality" enter the picture in this discussion? If this is going to be the crux of an argument about what conditions we should be holding the World Championship tournament under, we're never going to agree on anything. Please let the record state that this is not a "moral" issue."
i second this 100%. there is absolutely no room in this discussion in my opinion, for the moral issue. are we to bring religion into a discussion about where a tournament is held? that is way of the mark, and would discriminate against players like blade, who likely pays for his travel expenses based on the vegas surroundings. why not bring up the superior air quality, beauty, and weather of vegas? you could bring up the fact that there is a million things in vegas for the whole family to do that are far removed from anything "immoral". none of these things should be relevant.
i believe that mike rosen spends at least a month or two every year in vegas with his family, and i have personally never met a better father.
jsb
(sorry ... forgot my nine titles)
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| jsbritton
- 11 Mar 2012
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don't take that as a personal attack mike c, as i used to think the exact same thing about vegas. mike rosen then showed me that behind the curtain, there is a diferent side to vegas that is simply filled with luxury, class, and elegance.
vegas itself may only be a mirage, but there are many different sides of it. it is very kid friendly if you do some research. much more so than houston in my opinion as you don't need to go more than five miles to experience all of it, except of course unless the grand caynon, mountains, and the lake are on the agenda. even those are a short ride compared to houston traffic and it's vast size.
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| jasonstevens
- 11 Mar 2012
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| this thread tells me some things will never change.
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| jsbritton
- 11 Mar 2012
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jasonstevens said: | this thread tells me some things will never change. |
lol...
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| fupersly
- 11 Mar 2012
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jasonstevens said: | this thread tells me some things will never change. |
Does that include your 80's mullet mug shot, too?
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| jsbritton
- 11 Mar 2012
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jasonstevens said: | this thread tells me some things will never change. |
the first thing that comes to my mind, other than of course the mullet, is more about the inability of many of us to communicate effectively so that every conversation doesn't just end up in the usual circle of pointless argument. being open to other people's suggestions and a willingness to compromise is a key factor. no one gets anywhere when people just dictate what is "right" or "wrong". that just simply does not work in an effort to get somone to look at things differently. all of us, including myself could use a little work on these things. people seem to make a lot of assumptions claiming or thinking that they know what someone else is saying, without actually paying close attention to what was actually said. these are my thoughts on the matter anyway...
jsb
(the nine title guy)
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| Mike C
- 11 Mar 2012
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| Record noted that moral is not the crux of the argument. Either way, we're looking forward to hosting a great World Championship in Houston.
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| jasonstevens
- 11 Mar 2012
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fupersly said: jasonstevens said: | this thread tells me some things will never change. |
Does that include your 80's mullet mug shot, too? |
lol, yeah that ain't changin'
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| fupersly
- 11 Mar 2012
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Mike C said: | Record noted that moral is not the crux of the argument. Either way, we're looking forward to hosting a great World Championship in Houston. |
Fair enough. 
And I agree with you - I know you guys will put on a great event, no matter what it ends up being called ("World Championships" or otherwise). 
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| ajflanagan
- 11 Mar 2012
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fupersly said: Mike C said: | Record noted that moral is not the crux of the argument. Either way, we're looking forward to hosting a great World Championship in Houston. |
Fair enough.
And I agree with you - I know you guys will put on a great event, no matter what it ends up being called ("World Championships" or otherwise). |
I assure you, without question... the event to be held in Houston in July is called the 2012 Air Hockey World Championship. No sense raising doubt where there is none.
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| Mike C
- 11 Mar 2012
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ajflanagan said: fupersly said: Mike C said: | Record noted that moral is not the crux of the argument. Either way, we're looking forward to hosting a great World Championship in Houston. |
Fair enough.
And I agree with you - I know you guys will put on a great event, no matter what it ends up being called ("World Championships" or otherwise). |
I assure you, without question... the event to be held in Houston in July is called the 2012 Air Hockey World Championship. No sense raising doubt where there is none. |
Seriously, it's not like we're using poster boards and magic markers. The branding is already out in the market.
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| fupersly
- 11 Mar 2012
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| ajflanagan said: I assure you, without question... the event to be held in Houston in July is called the 2012 Air Hockey World Championship. No sense raising doubt where there is none. |
You guys can both relax - I was merely saying the tournament will be a great event no matter what it ends up being called. The knee-jerk reactions and assumptions of intent are really becoming quite tiresome. Or, to coin a phrase:
No sense raising an issue where there is none.
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| jsbritton
- 12 Mar 2012
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fupersly said: | ajflanagan said: I assure you, without question... the event to be held in Houston in July is called the 2012 Air Hockey World Championship. No sense raising doubt where there is none. |
You guys can both relax - I was merely saying the tournament will be a great event no matter what it ends up being called. The knee-jerk reactions and assumptions of intent are really becoming quite tiresome. Or, to coin a phrase:
No sense raising an issue where there is none. |
lol ... and sigh.
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| Mike C
- 12 Mar 2012
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| Thanks Joe. We hope to see you at the 2012 Air Hockey World Championships in Houston.
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| travis
- 12 Mar 2012
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Okay... this looks like a good stopping point, yeah? I think we can agree that the original intent of the post has been exhausted. The USAA is going to work with the major tournament promoters to try and resolve the names for tournaments going forward, starting with next year's events.
Travis Luscombe
AirHockeyWorld.com Webmaster
http://twitter.com/air_hockey
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| jsbritton
- 12 Mar 2012
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travis said: Okay... this looks like a good stopping point, yeah? I think we can agree that the original intent of the post has been exhausted. The USAA is going to work with the major tournament promoters to try and resolve the names for tournaments going forward, starting with next year's events.
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"like" or "half puck" :)
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