| TheAirHockeyGuy
- 25 Mar 2015
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There has been a lot of talk in regards to whether or not the 2015 AHPA World Championship will be sanctioned by the USAA as well. Initially, the AHPA felt that it was a conflict of interest for us to sanction our own event as well as request sanctioning from another organization. After careful consideration and discussions with Danny Hynes and other players, we feel that it is in the best interest of the players and the sport to have this event sanctioned by both organizations. Therefore, we are formally requesting that the USAA vote on sanctioning our event given the following stipulations:
1. The AHPA agrees to run the event in compliance with the USAA rules as they exist on March 19, 2014 and will honor all tournament procedures except section X-9 of the USAA Rules and Tournament Procedures which gives the USAA rights over media which we do not recognize as a "tournament procedure" and which, in all other sports, is a privilege reserved by the promotional entity. Also, any verbiage referring to the "USAA" shall be replaced with "AHPA."
2. The AHPA agrees to appoint Phil Arnold as a co-head referee with Brian Accrocco and to include Phil on the 3-person tournament committee with Brian and myself as a gesture of respect and collaboration with the founder of the USAA and so that plyers can see that our mission is to run a quality air hockey tournament and respect the rules.
3. The AHPA will not pay any sanctioning fee to the USAA
Furthermore, the USAA leadership has indicated to AHPA leadership that the USAA may hold its own national/international level event this year. AHPA will fully support and sanction this event if it is held more than three months after our event (scheduled July 24-26) so as to give players a reasonable opportunity to accumulate finances and vacation time to attend both. If the event is scheduled within 3 months, it puts many players in the predicament of having to choose one or the other and puts the organizations in direct competition for the current player pool which AHPA does not believe is in the best interest of the sport. The AHPA believes that the sport benefits when more events are held, and we hope the USAA will join us in a collaborative partnership by taking actions to encourage maximum participation at all events and the effort to win and maintain a larger market of players worldwide.
**This message has been emailed to both Phil Arnold and Tim Weissman 3/25/2015 1:10 PM (MST)
Chris Lee
Co-Founder, CEO
Air Hockey Players Association (AHPA)
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| TWeissman
- 25 Mar 2015
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Thank you for your request.
The USAA Board will discuss the issue.
Given that time is short and players will want to know the status, I intend to have a decision before the end of the day this Friday.
Take care...
Tim Weissman
USAA President
40th Anniversary Year
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| fractalzoom
- 25 Mar 2015
Total Posts: 201
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Hey Chris,
Quick question here regarding rights over media.
If I were to attend your tournament, would anyone be allowed to record video of the matches?
Reason I ask is because Q and I have been recording as much as we can (and try to just set up on a table and not just move the cameras around to just record ourselves) and post all the videos we get to our vimeo page (we have over 750 air hockey videos there currently).
We've also allowed anyone to use the video and have even let Mark use our video for commercial purposes at no cost to him (and would likely let anyone else use our videos for commercial purposes for free if it promotes the sport).
Would you/the AHPA allow this for your tournament?
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| TheAirHockeyGuy
- 25 Mar 2015
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fractalzoom said: Hey Chris,
Quick question here regarding rights over media.
If I were to attend your tournament, would anyone be allowed to record video of the matches?
Reason I ask is because Q and I have been recording as much as we can (and try to just set up on a table and not just move the cameras around to just record ourselves) and post all the videos we get to our vimeo page (we have over 750 air hockey videos there currently).
We've also allowed anyone to use the video and have even let Mark use our video for commercial purposes at no cost to him (and would likely let anyone else use our videos for commercial purposes for free if it promotes the sport).
Would you/the AHPA allow this for your tournament? |
Yes Dan.
Chris Lee
Co-Founder, CEO
Air Hockey Players Association (AHPA)
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| ajflanagan
- 25 Mar 2015
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| I didn't realize the USAA's World Championship sanctioning requirements were debatable.
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| TheAirHockeyGuy
- 25 Mar 2015
Total Posts: 472
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ajflanagan said: | I didn't realize the USAA's World Championship sanctioning requirements were debatable. |
The discussion regarding the lack of formal sanctioning standards began over 4 years ago.
Chris Lee
Co-Founder, CEO
Air Hockey Players Association (AHPA)
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| TheAirHockeyGuy
- 25 Mar 2015
Total Posts: 472
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I encourage players to use the search on the forums to go as far back as 2011 for topics about sanctioning standards. Lots of good ideas have been shared over the years.
Chris Lee
Co-Founder, CEO
Air Hockey Players Association (AHPA)
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| EShoukry
- 26 Mar 2015
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Chris -
Just from my recent participation in the USAA board discussions, it appears as if your tournament will not get sanctioned with your above request. Currently there are rules in place around sanctioning that we have to follow until we have the opportunity to change them in the future.
I'm not saying I disagree with anything you've mentioned but I'm saying that we have to follow the rules that are in place today until we can get them changed. Having said that, this is how it will work in the practical sense.
1. You have to pay the $250 fee. I believe others have offered to pay this for you so I would take them up on that offer because this is the fee good, bad or indifferent.
2. The tournament committee will have you and Brian on it plus three other USAA board members. I believe we vote on who those other three are so if you don't want a particular person on the tournament committee you don't have to vote for them. Also, practically speaking I've never seen a tournament committee actually do anything except in one tournament where two players were fighting and they had to eject a player. Other than that, the committee has been a lame duck.
3. Everybody can film their matches like they always do.
4. Tournament refs will be voted on like we always do and since the ref is responsible for enforcing the game play rules, it really shouldn't matter who the ref is since we all should be working from the same rules. But again, the refs have very little part in the tournament unless there is a rule violation or question about a certain rule. Not a big deal.
I know there have been longer conversations and egos tossed around, but at the end of the day we are arguing about really minor stuff that has very little impact on the tournament itself.
I would strongly encourage you to follow the USAA rules for this tournament so that you get sanctioned and I think you will find that you will have full reign to do what you want to do with little hindrance from the USAA.
Thanks,
Ehab
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| goran
- 26 Mar 2015
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| I agree with Ehab
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| fupersly
- 26 Mar 2015
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I'm not entirely sure if this is the proper forum to explore this issue, but the matter of filming matches has nothing to do with "personal use" of players as it does regarding which entity owns the "official" tournament video taken for or by the sanctioning group. This is written precisely in the USAA Rules of Play:
SECTION X. Tournament Procedures
9. The USAA reserves the right to photograph or videotape any tournament play desired by the camera crew and to use it as players request. Players may refuse to permit flashbulbs or extreme lighting to be used during their match by camera people.
This stipulation allows the USAA to utilize what footage its assigns record or broadcast using its own resources, not those of individuals or other entities. For example, Eric Anderson owns all of the footage he recorded for Way of the Puck, not the USAA.
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| carolina phil
- 26 Mar 2015
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I am not a lawyer, but I slept in a Holiday Inn last year, so let me ajousdekate:
"to reserve the right" does not exlcude others from doing that which it grants. It merely authorizes the holder to have that right.
So USAA always gets the right to video, but others can have it to, unless there is a reason to deny it to them; which there never has been.
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