| stubbs7
- 18 Dec 2012
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How will the seeds for the singles tourney be determined? By rank, rating, etc?
Thanks!
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| TWeissman
- 19 Dec 2012
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I think there was some discussion of doing Swiss. That's a blast if it happens.
Take care...
Tim
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| brain
- 21 Dec 2012
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We are considering doing a Swiss event. The advantage of Swiss is that they are super fun and everybody plays exactly the same number of sets in teh qualifying round. The disadvantage is that they are less efficient. I have calculated that you need 1 table per 6 players with Swiss verses 1 per 8 with double elim. So we need to see how many people we think we will have. We expect to have 8 tables. If we have 48 or less, Swiss will work OK, but if we get into the 50's or 60's we would be more inclined to do double elim unless everybody agreed to play later for the Swiss format.
We are open to constructive discussion if anybody has an opinion.
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| carolina phil
- 21 Dec 2012
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Glad to see the creative thinking for this non-World event. It is a good venue to try new procedures for evalaution.
Phil
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| sjrbat
- 21 Dec 2012
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| Swiss would be great or a random seeded double-elim tourny. :)
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| TWeissman
- 01 Jan 2013
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There are ways to make Swiss quite adaptable to a high turnout.
First, I would suggest Swiss round matches be best of 5. You could even do 2 of 3 since the concept is that the Swiss is simply creating your seedlings for a playoff.
The number of Swiss rounds is also based on both the number of players and how many people you want in the playoffs.
With 33-64 people, optimally you play 6 rounds. That gets you to a potential one undefeated player. Then you can seed an 8-16 player playoff and maybe another 16 player B playoff. To save time you could go with 5 rounds and do like a 24 player playoff, but you will likely be looking at tie-breakers more than some folks would prefer.
I forget if the software we used in the past allows for ties. If it does I would stop Swiss matches at 2-2 in a best of 5 and call it a draw. That adds some more variability to your results (which is great) and gives a little flavor to the results as well. It also saves some time.
Take care...
Tim
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| TWeissman
- 01 Jan 2013
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Oh one other thing. No where is it written in stone that your playoff must be double elim. In most modified Swiss events, the playoff is single elim. That saves time.
What about something really interesting? A single elim 5 of 9 games playoff.
Take care...
Tim
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| carolina phil
- 02 Jan 2013
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A problem with single elimination is that players who travel from out of Houston very likely will get to play only one set, if they lose, their tournament is over. That discourages players from making the trip. Plus they could very possibly, in a small tournament, have to play one of their own (say Q vs Billy), and one of them is finished. If someone is a lower ranked player, they would have to have a great day in the Swiss just to get to play the one set on Sunday that they would then lose.
Double elimination is a tried and true method that helps correct for bad draws and for bad luck. It also gives weaker players a chance to last longer in the main event. And protects top players from one bad set. It is more fun, and it attracts more participants.
Phil
TWeissman said: Oh one other thing. No where is it written in stone that your playoff must be double elim. In most modified Swiss events, the playoff is single elim. That saves time.
What about something really interesting? A single elim 5 of 9 games playoff.
Take care...
Tim |
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| ajflanagan
- 02 Jan 2013
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| Remember, this is a local "city" tournament. Not a state, regional, national or world championship. This is the appropriate venue to try new things. While we are happy to have traveling players, it's not expected. In fact, we are encouraging players who are considering traveling to a tournament, make an effort to attend the California State.
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| tableman
- 02 Jan 2013
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| I will not be at the Houston City but if I had to choose because of time constraints, I would prefer a 3 of 5 double-elim (or even 2 of 3 losers bracket/spinoffs if necessary) to a 4 of 7 or 5 of 9 single-elim.
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| sjrbat
- 06 Jan 2013
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| Will the play in this tournament go towards Mitic Ratings?
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| goran
- 07 Jan 2013
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| As long as they follow USAA rules, all nonhandicap tournaments should count for ratings.
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| tableman
- 07 Jan 2013
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goran said: | As long as they follow USAA rules, all nonhandicap tournaments should count for ratings. |
Including impromptu ones, like the tourney we played at BZ Naperville a week ago?
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| goran
- 07 Jan 2013
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| Sure, but before the tourney started, a few players didnt want to play for rating. In that case any set that both players agree counts before hand can count.
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| ajflanagan
- 07 Jan 2013
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| That seems a little wishy washy... although I understand it was an impromptu thing. Perhaps this is something else that should be included in the sanctioning discussions taking place behind closed doors. Players cannot "opt out" of ratings matches in a sanctioned event.
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| goran
- 08 Jan 2013
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| Correct Andrew, players can not opt out of the ratings in a santioned event. They can however opt out in a practice tournament, practice set, or practice game.
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| TWeissman
- 08 Jan 2013
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Oh I thought the Naperville tournament was for points :)
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| stubbs7
- 08 Jan 2013
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Heh. You did play awesome in that tourney. However, I do remember saying that I am not playing in the tourney if it's for rating points. Whwew! :)
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| TWeissman
- 08 Jan 2013
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Lol
You wouldn't have let Q and I win if you knew it was for those points of gold!
Make sure Phil knows how vigorously you hoard your gold and maybe he will lead a charge of dwarves to your mountain den to reclaim it.
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| carolina phil
- 08 Jan 2013
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No way! Last time to Chicago I got shot down. Not going back till I improve.
Carolina Phil
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| Red puck
- 08 Jan 2013
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About Phil in Chicago,well...
 
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| tableman
- 10 Jan 2013
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TWeissman said: Oh I thought the Naperville tournament was for points :)
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I'll take my points against you even though you beat me 2 out of 3. :)
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