| Red puck
- 10 Dec 2012
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| What about these tables?
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| Red puck
- 10 Dec 2012
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| Red puck
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| Red puck
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| tableman
- 11 Dec 2012
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That brochure (of the brown top Dynamo) is the original Dynamo AH brochure. I remember writing up the text for that in 1986.
Norice that the old original Dynamo tables were 590 lbs. - compared to 410 now.
Also notice that the table in the brochure has drop chutes for coins - I think we did a few like that but soon went to the pool-table-style push chute. In recent years Dynamo has again gone to a drop chute, which is now common on just about all AH tables, including my new Gold Standard tables.
Mark
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| Red puck
- 11 Dec 2012
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| Wow!I had no idea that you wrote the text for the flyer.I know that particular flyer and used to view it often because the picture was so clear. About the weight of the tables in the past as compared to now,it must be what the material that's put into the table and how heavy it is.Was the brown top in the 80's better or worse than the current prostyle or was the Brunswick better than both?
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| ajflanagan
- 11 Dec 2012
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Hey Ben... it's great that you are so interested in this stuff!!
One day hopefully you will get to dissect a few tables and see what makes them tick. The older brown tops are definitely heavier. They are made from plywood and have a great deal more bracing than the newer tables. If you look inside an acoustic guitar or a piano, you will see a lot of "ribs" or cross bracing that gives the body of the instrument support and rigidity. The same is true for the old brown tops.
Since then, it looks like they cut back on costs (and weight) by reducing the amount of bracing inside. Also, the tables are now made from MDF instead of traditional plywood. Unfortunately, this is why the Photon (light blue top) tables are not so great. Open one up and you'll be surprised to see it's not much more than a plywood box. No real bracing to speak of. The body is not rigid enough to withstand its own weight. Over time, the Photon tables tend to sag in the middle.
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| Red puck
- 11 Dec 2012
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| If Mark were to redesign the Photon, Would it be much better in terms of what's inside and how it would play?
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| ajflanagan
- 11 Dec 2012
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| In a sense, Mark DID redesign the Photon when he built the new Gold Standard Games table. I haven't really seen the insides of his new table, so I can't speculate on the construction.
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| corydzbinski
- 11 Dec 2012
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| One major thing that also contributes to the weight, at least with the Tornado table and the Brunswick tables is the thickness of the playing surface. My Tornado and my Brunswick are like 1.5" thick where the Dynamos now are like 1" or so thick.
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| tableman
- 12 Dec 2012
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As far as I know, my old Brunswicks have 1" tops, not 1.5". I can double-check next week.
The Photons and other Dynamo coin tables still have plywood cabinets, far as I know. I'm not sure how all that weight got taken out, but mostly it's the inside bracing and support that's less now. As far as I know the Dynamo Pro-Styles use particle board for the cabinet sides - not lighter than plywood, but cheaper.
Our new GSG tables are roughly 500-550 lbs. - don't have the exact weight yet. So lighter than the old Dynamos but much heavier than the current ones.
Despite my satisfaction with the Dynamo tables i designed in the '80's, I (and others) always felt that the Brunswicks had just a little more speed and kick off the rails.
So when I designed the GSG table (just now available, BTW) I made a couple little changes that weren't possible on the Dynamos - in an effort to match the play characteristics of the Brunswick. When Frank Perez first played on the GSG table at Worlds, the first thing he told me was: "I've been waiting 30 years for a table to play like the old Brunswick!"
The Brunswick was a great playing table, but not designed well for sturdiness or durability. The original Dynamo improved on that, and I believe my new table has improved significantly on the current Dynamo models.
Mark
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| Red puck
- 12 Dec 2012
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Where is the GSG table Available? I want to know were it is purchasable. 
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| TheAirHockeyGuy
- 15 Dec 2012
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Red puck said: | Where is the GSG table Available? I want to know were it is purchasable. |
www.recrooms.com
Chris Lee
Co-Founder, CEO
Air Hockey Players Association (AHPA)
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| Red puck
- 16 Dec 2012
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Yes, I know. Burt that's where you find the non-sanctionable GSG home table. What I want to find is the commercial table that was featured in the 2012 Houston national tournament.
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