| Davisl
- 19 Jan 2012
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I figured Billy should really make history and defeat 1,2,4 in a span of two months. I challenge Billy for #1 on Sunday, February 26th.
I will also be willing to play a challenger on Saturday, February 25th. I'll take on the highest bidder, starting at $125(not joking).
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| stubbs7
- 19 Jan 2012
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| Challenge accepted. Looking forward to a good match.
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| carolina phil
- 19 Jan 2012
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Excellent news. I don't recall in our history where the Top Four played in such a close constellation. Mark (5?) and I(number 2) played Jesse (number 1) and Joe Campbell over New Years weekend in 78/79, but Joe was not ranked at that time (until he beat us both!) Then Joe beat Jesse the next year for numbler one. A remarkable run for the great Joe Campbell, finishing third in 1979 UH National.
Phil
Davisl said: I figured Billy should really make history and defeat 1,2,4 in a span of two months. I challenge Billy for #1 on Sunday, February 26th.
I will also be willing to play a challenger on Saturday, February 25th. I'll take on the highest bidder, starting at $125(not joking). |
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- 19 Jan 2012
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OUTRAGE!!! No cutting!! I feel like the kid that's trying to get the ball, and you bullies keep passing it to one another every time I get close! And it's bullcrap! Knock it off and give me it, NOW! Or I'm gonna tell daddy Phil!
Seriously though, im in no shape yet to play, so good luck. :)
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| JustinFlores
- 19 Jan 2012
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Davisl said:
I will also be willing to play a challenger on Saturday, February 25th. I'll take on the highest bidder, starting at $125(not joking). |
This is new to me. I didn't know people could require money paid to them in order to accept a challenge match. Is this something that I just haven't seen because I haven't been around very long? I am honestly just curious
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| Q
- 19 Jan 2012
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JustinFlores said: Davisl said:
I will also be willing to play a challenger on Saturday, February 25th. I'll take on the highest bidder, starting at $125(not joking). |
This is new to me. I didn't know people could require money paid to them in order to accept a challenge match. Is this something that I just haven't seen because I haven't been around very long? I am honestly just curious |
I'm pretty sure Davis wasn't saying it's a requirement to accept a challenge from one of us...rather just that he would play a second match (a non priority/optional one for him) if we would offset his travel costs partially.
If one of us was to challenge Davis officially:
- as of 1/16-2/15 it would technically be for his March priority commitment
- that person would have to fly to CA to play Davis at some point
So if I were planning on challenging Davis, I could save some $ on travel costs, bid on the match, and play on my home court...hmm...that does sound interesting now that I type it out. Davis, would you take bids slightly lower than 125?
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- 20 Jan 2012
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| Predictions of the Paper dragon vs. Billy club match up? :)
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| Davisl
- 31 Jan 2012
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Q, I'll take lower bids if someone wants to play a match. If not, hopefully we can all get together and just play some pickup.
Also, I would put myself at a 4-1 underdog. Maybe Don and I could have another bet for $100 at those odds.... :)
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- 31 Jan 2012
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Billy has been shredding through the competition lately. Dragon is out of practice to a great degree. This could be a case of paper versus scissors.
After that, the rock man wants a shot at the shredding machine. 1..2..3!!
1..2..3!! 1..2..3! 1..2..3! :)
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| MRosen
- 01 Feb 2012
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marknizzi said: | Billy has been shredding through the competition lately. Dragon is out of practice to a great degree. This could be a case of paper versus scissors. After that, the rock man wants a shot at the shredding machine. 1..2..3!! 1..2..3!! 1..2..3! 1..2..3! :) |
Very funny... you'll need to give us the Rock's "the raised eyebrow".
I can't wait to see these matches!!
Michael "Ricochet" Rosen
Commissioner - Major League Air Hockey
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| Q
- 13 Feb 2012
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Davisl said: Q, I'll take lower bids if someone wants to play a match. If not, hopefully we can all get together and just play some pickup.
Also, I would put myself at a 4-1 underdog. Maybe Don and I could have another bet for $100 at those odds.... :) |
I'll start the bidding at $50 for a match. Or I'd be up for just playing some sets/practice as well.
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| Q
- 21 Feb 2012
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| Davis and I are playing a match Saturday around 1pm at UIC. Thanks Davis...looking forward to the opportunity to play!
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| stubbs7
- 21 Feb 2012
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Awesome to hear that Q vs. Davis is happening. Q came close to taking a set off of Davis at the World's (had at least one match point) and Q is much better now. I'm excited to see how he'll fair.
This weekend, my match with Davis is also happening. Davis has taken the last few challenge matches off of me here in Chicago, and beat me in the World's finals of '11. He also has the longest unbeaten streak in challenge matches. I'd be happy to force a set 7 against him again, maybe it'll break for me this time.
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| fractalzoom
- 21 Feb 2012
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marknizzi said: | Predictions of the Paper dragon vs. Billy club match up? :) |
Ok.. we have to drum up some excitement for this stellar matchup.
Davis flew to our home last year.. and it was a battle. Billy won the first set - finishing it up in pretty dominating form... then Davis came back and 4-0'd Billy. After that - it was dead even. Billy won the next in the 7th game.. then the next 2! sets came down to set point... both going in Davis' favor. Billy took the next set that featured 4 7-6 games.. and then Davis won the whole thing in the last set after both players were complaining that their shoulders were going to fall off.. even then - it was intense.. Davis won 4-1 - and all but one game of the last set went to 7-6. Davis ended up winning, but Billy scored more points.
Suffice to say.. it was close.
So, we have to ask ourselves... what has Billy and Davis done since then? I've seen Billy work hard. He's played literally hundreds of sets since then. I'm not sure how much practice Davis gets. Billy is at the peak of practice.
If both had been sitting on their asses all year, I'd say this would be too close to call. Billy has had his eyes on Ehab and Danny since last October and has played 5x a week. It's shown. He upped his game - and where he was losing to Ehab by the narrowest of margins.. now, he's beating Danny.
I don't think Davis can come in here the favorite. I don't think it's going to be a bloodbath, though. Davis had a pretty good edge in close games last year and plays incredibly well when his back is against the wall. There's no way that Davis is a 4-1 underdog (as he says)... perhaps 5-3 underdog. Billy didn't just wipe out Ehab and Davis... it was more of a battle of attrition.
I predict 4-2 in Billy's favor... but this match could go the full 7 sets once again.
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| TheAirHockeyGuy
- 21 Feb 2012
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fractalzoom said: marknizzi said: | Predictions of the Paper dragon vs. Billy club match up? :) |
Ok.. we have to drum up some excitement for this stellar matchup.
Davis flew to our home last year.. and it was a battle. Billy won the first set - finishing it up in pretty dominating form... then Davis came back and 4-0'd Billy. After that - it was dead even. Billy won the next in the 7th game.. then the next 2! sets came down to set point... both going in Davis' favor. Billy took the next set that featured 4 7-6 games.. and then Davis won the whole thing in the last set after both players were complaining that their shoulders were going to fall off.. even then - it was intense.. Davis won 4-1 - and all but one game of the last set went to 7-6. Davis ended up winning, but Billy scored more points.
Suffice to say.. it was close.
So, we have to ask ourselves... what has Billy and Davis done since then? I've seen Billy work hard. He's played literally hundreds of sets since then. I'm not sure how much practice Davis gets. Billy is at the peak of practice.
If both had been sitting on their asses all year, I'd say this would be too close to call. Billy has had his eyes on Ehab and Danny since last October and has played 5x a week. It's shown. He upped his game - and where he was losing to Ehab by the narrowest of margins.. now, he's beating Danny.
I don't think Davis can come in here the favorite. I don't think it's going to be a bloodbath, though. Davis had a pretty good edge in close games last year and plays incredibly well when his back is against the wall. There's no way that Davis is a 4-1 underdog (as he says)... perhaps 5-3 underdog. Billy didn't just wipe out Ehab and Davis... it was more of a battle of attrition.
I predict 4-2 in Billy's favor... but this match could go the full 7 sets once again. |
After getting to see first hand what Billy's game is looking like, I'm going to have to go with Billy on this one. Not only is he getting a lot of practice, but he's getting a lot of practice against players that are continuously improving their games by leaps and bounds. Not only is Billy in practice, but I can just tell by talking to him that he's hungry. Not just for a taco pizza either, LOL. He has worked extremely hard to put himself in a position to be the best in the game right now and I think he really wants to show everyone what he can do when he is firing on all cylinders. Typically I would lean towards my Cali crew but in this case, unless Davis has been practicing with the best players in Cali, at least 4 times a week, i'm going with 4-1 Billy.
Chris Lee
Co-Founder, CEO
Air Hockey Players Association (AHPA)
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| Davisl
- 21 Feb 2012
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so, i'm actually scared now. i actually think it's closer to 6 or 7-1 odds.
in the red corner, billy "the machine", "I must break you." "You will lose." "If he dies, he dies."
in the other corner, i'm pauly looking for the exits.
billy hoping to go seven is hilarious :) we all know he's looking for the 16-0. :)
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| TheAirHockeyGuy
- 21 Feb 2012
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Davisl said: so, i'm actually scared now. i actually think it's closer to 6 or 7-1 odds.
in the red corner, billy "the machine", "I must break you." "You will lose." "If he dies, he dies."
in the other corner, i'm pauly looking for the exits.
billy hoping to go seven is hilarious :) we all know he's looking for the 16-0. :) |
No worries, Dan and I don't really know anything. You have almost double the number of years in the sport then us combined. LOL.
Chris Lee
Co-Founder, CEO
Air Hockey Players Association (AHPA)
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| Davisl
- 21 Feb 2012
Total Posts: 168
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Chris,
Why isn't Billy hungry for a taco pizza???
And, thanks for making me feel so young again.
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| TheAirHockeyGuy
- 21 Feb 2012
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Davisl said: Chris,
Why isn't Billy hungry for a taco pizza???
And, thanks for making me feel so young again. |
Just because you have played longer doesn't mean you are that much older. You could have started playing at a younger age than us. You're definitely not close to double our combined age......I don't think...LOL j/k.
The taco pizza was more of a "had to be there" moment that I thought was funny. It probably wasn't as funny as I thought it was, definitely not funny if I have to explain it.
Chris Lee
Co-Founder, CEO
Air Hockey Players Association (AHPA)
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| carolina phil
- 22 Feb 2012
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Jesse Douty made an interesting observation, saying that Billy has done a remarkable thing in regaining the number one ranking in the world after having won the National years ago. His point is that it is rare to see so many years go by and the champion returns to play even better and be number one.
Has any other ah champ or number one ranked player won their national or number one ranking in anything but a "cluster." Jess won his in a long cluster. Dube in a cluster. Mark and Robert in their heydey cluster. Tim in a long cluster. Jose in a short cluster. Others.
All those "cluster winners" have gone on a long decline away from their cluster years. Still competing, but no longer for Number One. Of course, Danny is still in his "cluster." With Davis and Ehab, too.
But after X number of years, the champs can't seem to return to top glory.
Except Billy Stubbbs.
Carolina Phil
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| ajflanagan
- 22 Feb 2012
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carolina phil said: Jesse Douty made an interesting observation, saying that Billy has done a remarkable thing in regaining the number one ranking in the world after having won the National years ago. His point is that it is rare to see so many years go by and the champion returns to play even better and be number one.
Has any other ah champ or number one ranked player won their national or number one ranking in anything but a "cluster." Jess won his in a long cluster. Dube in a cluster. Mark and Robert in their heydey cluster. Tim in a long cluster. Jose in a short cluster. Others.
All those "cluster winners" have gone on a long decline away from their cluster years. Still competing, but no longer for Number One. Of course, Danny is still in his "cluster." With Davis and Ehab, too.
But after X number of years, the champs can't seem to return to top glory.
Except Billy Stubbbs.
Carolina Phil |
It seems most other former champs maybe grow a little complacent over time. As if there is nothing left to learn. Or maybe just distracted by life. I'm not aware of any time in AH history that a former champion came back and dedicated themselves to training the way Billy has since last August. It's not like he woke up one day and was suddenly good enough to whoop everyone's ass. He clearly worked hard for it. To be honest, it was inspiring. I think there are quite a few players in Houston who were a little humbled and maybe a little inspired by Billy's efforts. It's clear that the daily training and strict regimen made a world of difference in his game. It makes you think... if highly fit athletes with razor sharp reflexes trained in the manner that Billy has over an extended period of time, would we even be able to compete? Let's be honest. Not many of us put in the time and effort that a professional athlete would put in to their sport.
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| tableman
- 23 Feb 2012
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carolina phil said: Jesse Douty made an interesting observation, saying that Billy has done a remarkable thing in regaining the number one ranking in the world after having won the National years ago. His point is that it is rare to see so many years go by and the champion returns to play even better and be number one.
Has any other ah champ or number one ranked player won their national or number one ranking in anything but a "cluster." Jess won his in a long cluster. Dube in a cluster. Mark and Robert in their heydey cluster. Tim in a long cluster. Jose in a short cluster. Others.
All those "cluster winners" have gone on a long decline away from their cluster years. Still competing, but no longer for Number One. Of course, Danny is still in his "cluster." With Davis and Ehab, too.
But after X number of years, the champs can't seem to return to top glory.
Except Billy Stubbbs.
Carolina Phil |
I commented on this in my post in "the lobby" about Billy setting a new record for longest gap between getting the #1 Ranking. As I said there, no one comes close to Billy's gap of 16 YEARS. The next closest was me at 8 years and a few months.
Of course it wasn't like Billy wasn't trying all along - he played tournaments all that time, got to a few finals, but just couldn't take the title.
Mark
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| Davisl
- 23 Feb 2012
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What about Wil? Didn't he win in 1997 and then a decade later in 2007?
When Phil brought up clusters, I looked at Bob Dubisson' s tournament record. Amazing consistency for 8 to 9 years. Is he definitely the 4th best player of all time? The top three are cemented without debate.
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| tableman
- 23 Feb 2012
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Davisl said: What about Wil? Didn't he win in 1997 and then a decade later in 2007?
When Phil brought up clusters, I looked at Bob Dubisson' s tournament record. Amazing consistency for 8 to 9 years. Is he definitely the 4th best player of all time? The top three are cemented without debate. |
Yeah, you're right about Wil. Somehow I forgot him. He gets 2nd with a 10-year gap between being #1.
Dubuisson was amazingly consistent. Never finished out of the top 10 until his last tournament, semi-ravaged by cancer, still finished 12th. Usually in the top 4.
There can be endless debate about who ranks where. Do you compare players against their own contemporaries... or against someone from a different generation? Are championships the most important... or does consistently finishing high but not winning, beat winning? Is head-to-head competition between two players more important... or is it their performance against the whole field? Etc. etc.
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| tableman
- 23 Feb 2012
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Billy, Davis, Q:
Pleease post starting times for the upcoming matches Sat. and Sun.
Mark
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| ajflanagan
- 24 Feb 2012
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| Will you guys be able to stream the match?
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| Q
- 24 Feb 2012
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Unknown as of now but looking doubtful. WiMAX speeds are too low from what I can tell to upload halfway decent video. If anyone with CLEAR or any other WiMAX can go to a internet speed test site like speedtest dot net and tell me their download and upload speeds that would be appreciated. I'd like to get at least 2Mbps upload which from what I've found online, WiMAX and cell service tops out usually around <1Mbps.
I forget what time Billy and Davis are starting on Sunday. Davis and I are starting around 1pm at UIC on Saturday.
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| stubbs7
- 24 Feb 2012
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| Davis and I are starting at 12:00pm at UIC on Sunday.
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