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AMG - 02 Aug 2015
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Hi guys and gals,

Have some questions on behalf of myself (Gary Morgan), Scot (Morgan), and Adam Dillard.
Today we played a few games for the first time since Sept 2005. We literally hadn't held a mallet since then (10 years next month) and it damn well shows, we learned on the table today - was fun though. ;D
Nonetheless, we are attending the 40th Anniversary Tourny (more to see old faces, a bit of nostalgia, but we will play). In fact, Wil will be riding up from DFW with us.
(Chuck if you read this, we'll be in touch and make up to mckinney or richardson area to play some if you're game.)
Question: We need to know what rating category/pay schedule to click for online registration. If you saw us play this would be a no-brainer (answer: the bottom one) but the system seems more formalized now than when we last played (nice to see a ratings system in play). We don't want to screw the bracket matching up, but nor do we want to get our asses handed to us in the first match. So... ?

Question: What time will the venue be open? All day friday? Like to make it in early enough when it is open to mess around on the tables before they hold play for the doubles tourny.

Question: Do any of you guys still remember who the hell we are?

Question: (lastly) Is there a hotel/motel that a majority of players will be using when in town that is conveniently located? We'd like to book the same joint.

Thanks
Regards


 
tableman - 02 Aug 2015
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Hey Gary -

Wasn't sure it was you posting the questions about locating tables, but the esoteric erudition tipped me off. :) Phil Arnold, Tim Weissman, and Jacob Weissman are spearheading organizing the USAA Worlds. Most of the info on that will be posted on airhockey.com, so go over there and take a look. A lot of those details haven't been posted yet. The rating system was developed by Goran but I'm not sure how it treats players for seeding purposes who have been inactive for 10 years.

And while Tim is still a top 10 player, now you have to watch out for his son Jacob too.
 
Q - 02 Aug 2015
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The main list if you go to the rankings page here has the AHW ratings only for active players. Under the "2015 AHW Rating Status" link, if a player was ever in the system, the name should appear there. Inactivity is a slight decrease in rating value. Looks like there is data for Gary and Adam:

Gary Morgan: 1540.00
Scot Morgan: Not listed
Adam Dillard: 1360.00

Any new player currently comes in at 1000 on the rating scale. Whether these are the ratings used for the October tournament is currently in discussion. Either way, they are pretty close if not exactly the same as they will be then (ignoring any matches played between now and then).

It would be up to the organization in charge of the tournament whether any seeding modifications would be made. In the past 5 years, I have only seen this done 2x and both were decided upon by the board before the tournament. Once when Pedro Otero returned to tournament competition and once when I elected to drop my rating due to injury/recovery, both in 2013.
 
AMG - 02 Aug 2015
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Thanks for info Q (of the continuum?)

I see where it does have me "inactive" and with a 1540. Well, that's seriously FUBAR because it has me well above Phil Arnold at 1415? Even when I was playing, I was NOT better than Phil; so, some re-evalutation seems in order.
I pulled up Tim's skills assessment pdf. I'll self-evaluate on that and pass it on.
Or perhaps, for a more accurate evaluation, we might make it down for a weekly or two in Houston prior to the tourny.

(Hey Mark, thanks for the reply. I expect I'll have to watch out for a laundry list of players but interesting to see that several of the last generation's progeny are serious players now. See you in Houston.)

Regards
 
Q - 02 Aug 2015
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AMG said:
Thanks for info Q (of the continuum?)


Either that or the quartermaster of Q branch. :)

The system is only as good as the data that it has in it unfortunately so the more matches or data you have, the better. If you, Scot, and Adam all played rating sets/matches among you 3 plus maybe the guys in Dallas we'd see where things line up a bit better.

I believe back when there is match data for you, players started at 1200 instead of 1000, possibly even higher...but then again, so did Phil. Once the ratings were used for seeding, we eliminated any modifications without a vote. Phil was higher but a recent challenge match loss knocked him down a bit.
 
goran - 04 Aug 2015
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welcome back Gary! I remember you all. If you post your set results here from when you play each other, or the other Dallas players, we will get your rating adjusted.
 
AMG - 04 Aug 2015
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Hey Goran, thanks

Since we will be playing a bit between now and the tourney, I'm sure some skill will return over the next couple months. So, I (and I think adam and scot as well) will likely wait until the 2nd half of september to provide that data.

Which does bring to mind a question: What would be the latest that some match info would need to be received for it to factor in a revision of our ratings, applicable to the upcoming tourney?

Regards
 
goran - 04 Aug 2015
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Match data needs to be entered in the order of matches played. There is no specified time frame, you are always welcome to play practice games that don't count for rating. It's best to report all matches as quickly as possible. If your just playing Scott and Adam, you will be trading your points amongst each other.
 
Q - 05 Aug 2015
Total Posts: 497
AMG said:
Hey Goran, thanks

Since we will be playing a bit between now and the tourney, I'm sure some skill will return over the next couple months. So, I (and I think adam and scot as well) will likely wait until the 2nd half of september to provide that data.

Which does bring to mind a question: What would be the latest that some match info would need to be received for it to factor in a revision of our ratings, applicable to the upcoming tourney?

Regards


Rating rules page is down but think it asked for something like "report results within 14 days"... Maybe 7. It's to avoid applying calculations to older matches out of order whenever possible.
 
AMG - 05 Aug 2015
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Appreciate the replies guys, but I might have been less than clear. We haven't and won't be playing any matches anytime soon. Just round robin practice for a while to scrape the rust off and see where we stand.
Once we get around to a match or two, we will of course report it in a timely fashion.
My question was regarding how close to the actual tourney will match data be accepted and used to revise ratings for seeding? When is the cut, so to speak?
For example, if we wait until Sept 30th roughly to do some match play for assessment and submit the results the 1st week of Oct, will that still be within an adjustment period? Or will ratings already be frozen by then?

(btw, there is an old profile page for me that I haven't scrutinized but did notice a stand-out inaccuracy: I've never played either Anthony Marino or Mike Rose a challenge match. (did play Robbins and few others not listed) Nor did I play any matches in 2006. Sept 2005 was last play. Of course, not a big deal, just happened to notice it.)

Regards

 
Q - 05 Aug 2015
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A snapshot of the ratings is taken 48 hours before the first scheduled event from the weekend. Announcements coming....

Also, those are the last tournament matches in the system, not CM. Looks like those are from the 03 Texas State. The entry of those goes back to Travis' admin reign. Don't see the brackets anywhere so...if anyone has those I'll compare to what I can find in the system.
 
carolina phil - 05 Aug 2015
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Great to hear from you guys! I have no doubt that a bit more practice will bring the lustre back to the diamonds.

Goran and Q will help you find your Ratings according to the system. They are the best.

Even though I have fallen into the 1400's I don't think I am playing worse than I did back when we all last competed together. I think that there are more players now who have gotten better.

The big difference between ten years ago and now is not that there are new super shots or strategies. The big reason there are a large number of very good players is that many more players play more consistently/frequently. Remember we used to take off after a big tourney for a couple of months or more.

Now many players keep in practice all year, at least hitting the puck around every week or so.

Good idea to drop down to Houston for one of our practice sessions on a Friday or Tuesday, or whenver you can meet up with us.

In a world of uncertainty, the Table is True,

Phil
 
AMG - 08 Aug 2015
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carolina phil said:
Great to hear from you guys! I have no doubt that a bit more practice will bring the lustre back to the diamonds.


Hey Phil,

Appreciate the welcome.
I won't speak for the other dfw guys but as for myself, I think my "lustre" was more cubic zirconia. ;D

Definitely like to get down prior to the tourney for both a practice night session and a weekly.

Mark directed me to check airhockey.com/...fan.com. I saw some tourney info there. Any update on the hotel situation?

Regards
 

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