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stubbs7 - 14 May 2013
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What are the best shots of all time? Which players at their peak possessed a shot that stood above all the others? Below is the list of my top 100. Of course it's controversial, but it's also fun. I've omitted myself from the list.

1) Jesse Douty - Cut
2) Tim Weissman - Cut
3) Jose Mora - Cross
4) Danny Hynes - Right Wall Over
5) Tim Weissman - Right Wall Under
6) Danny Hynes - Right Wall Under
7) Wil Upchurch - Left Wall Under
8) Bob Dubuisson - Forehand Cut
9) Pedro Otero - Right Wall Under
10) Mark Robbins - Right Wall Over
11) Phil Arnold - Cut
12) Jesse Douty - Cross
13) Tim Weissman - Forehand Left Wall Under
14) Don James - Cross
15) Jimmy Heilander - Right Wall Under
16) Andy Yevish - Cut
17) Jimmy Heilander - Cut
18) Wil Upchurch - Cross
19) Davis Lee - Left Wall Over
20) Ehab Shoukry - Left Wall Over
21) Bob Dubuisson - Cut
22) Jose Mora - Wolf
23) Robert Hernandez - Cut
24) Mark Robbins - Forehand Cut
25) Anthony Marino - Left Wall Under
26) Keith Fletcher - Cut
27) Robert Hernandez - Left Wall Over
28) Pedro Otero - Right Wall Over
29) Owen Geraldo - Cross
30) Anthony Marino - Cut
31) Ehab Shoukry - Cut
32) Danny Hynes - Cross
33) Vince Shappell - Left Wall Under
34) Pedro Otero - Cut
35) Mark Robbins - Cross
36) Danny Hynes - Left Wall Under
37) Joe Campbell - Cut
38) Mark Nizzi - Right Wall Under
39) Davis Lee - Cut
40) Albert Ortiz - Blade Right Wall Over
41) Jose Mora - Left Wall Under
42) Andy Yevish - Right Wall Under
43) Don James - Right Wall Over
44) Ehab Shoukry - Left Wall Under
45) Paul Marshall - Cross
46) Jose Mora - Left Wall Over
47) Mark Nizzi - Cross
48) Javier Pulido - Cut
49) Brian Accrocco - Cross
50) Edward Almeda - Wolf

(Continued....)
 
stubbs7 - 14 May 2013
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51) Brian Quezada - Right Wall Under
52) Owen Geraldo - Right Wall Over
53) Wil Upchurch - Forehand Left Wall Under
54) Danny Hynes - Cut
55) Travis Luscombe - Cross
56) Owen Geraldo - Wolf
57) Will Upchurch - Left Wall Over
58) Ehab Shoukry Cross
59) Jose Mora - Right Wall Over
60) Danny Hynes - Wolf
61) Davis Lee - Cross
62) Tim Weissman - Forehand Cut
63) Mark Nizzi - Cut
64) Keith Fletcher - Forehand Cut
65) Don James - Cut
66) Keith Fletcher - Right Wall Over
67) Robert Hernandez - Forehand cut
68) Tim Weissman - Left Wall Under
69) Upchurch - Right Wall Over
70) Bob Dubuison - Cross
71) Don James - Wolf
72) Wil Upchurch - Cut
73) Brian Accrocco - right wall over
74) Don Beardon - Wolf
75) Owen Geraldo - Cut
76) Goran Mitic - Chase Cross
77) Davis Lee- Left Wall Under
78) Mark Nizzi - Left Wall Over
79) Ehab Shoukry - Right Wall Over
80) Mark Robbins - Cut Serve
81) Mark Nizzi - Right Wall Over
82) Jose Mora - Scoop Right Wall Over Serve
83) Mark Nizzi - Left Wall Under
84) Davis Lee- Forehand Left Wall Under
85) Andy Yevish - Forehand Left Wall Under
86) Brian Quezada - Cut
87) Mark Nizzi - Wolf
88) Anthony Marino - Cross
89) T.C. - Right Wall Under
90) Syed Rahman - Left Wall Under
91) George Anderson - California serve
92) Dan Meyer - Forehand Left Wall Under
93) Jose Mora - Cut
94) Dan Meyer - Right Wall Under
95) Danny Hynes - Off-speed Left Wall Over out of drift (miss hit)
96) Joe Cain - Cut
97) Max Silverstien - Chase Overs
98) Travis Luscombe - Left Wall Under
99) Nick Geoffroy - Right Wall Over
100) Mike Barry - 1-2s
 
stubbs7 - 14 May 2013
Total Posts: 582
Of the top 5 shots on my list, I could justify any of them being in the #1 position. After the top 5 I think there is a drop off.

Here's a breakdown of the number of shots from each player in my list:

Danny Hynes - 7
Jose Mora - 7
Mark Nizzi - 7
Wil Upchurch - 6
Davis Lee - 5
Tim Weissman - 5
Ehab Shoukry - 5
Owen Geraldo - 4
Don James - 4
Mark Robbins - 4
Bob Duibusson - 3
Keith Fletcher - 3
Robert Hernandez - 3
Anthony Marino - 3
Pedro Otero - 3
Andy Yevish - 3

Everyone else on the list had 1 or 2 shots, including the great Jesse Douty who I only listed 2 shots for: The Cut at #1, and the Cross at #12.
Below is the number of times that each type of shot appeared on my list:

28 Cuts
16 Crosses
16 Left Wall Unders
14 Right Wall Overs
10 Miscellaneous
9 Right Wall Unders - This low number surprised me.
7 Left Wall Overs

What do you all think? Share your top 100...or top 10.
 
carolina phil - 14 May 2013
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Great canvass of ah shots!

What would be your three best shots to be added to the mix?

 
Mauro - 15 May 2013
Total Posts: 83
What an incredible list! O_O'

How are Wolf and Scoop shots like? Never heard of them.
 
stubbs7 - 16 May 2013
Total Posts: 582
A Wolf is an off-speed straight to the left side of the goal (it has the same release that is generally used for the Cross).

A Scoop is a type of blade shot.
 
Davisl - 16 May 2013
Total Posts: 168
Nice list Billy, but way too hard for me to comment on. Here is an easier list.

6-6, 7th game, who is the player you'd least want to defend against?(in my opinion, and this is more based on quality of offense and how many other worldly shots they can hit at any time)

1. Wil Upchurch
2. Billy Stubbs
3. Danny Hynes
4. Jimmy Heilander
5. Andy Yevish
6. Anthony Marino
7. Jose Mora
8. Ehab/Tim tie
9. Jesse Douty
10. Mark Nizzi(lots of familiarity, he is a lot higher on other's lists)

Everyone's list is different, I don't have any experience against Pedro, and I would put Brian Q. as an honorable mention. There's a lot of players I don't want to face 6-6, but these are the hardest ones.
 
TWeissman - 18 May 2013
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Danny's LWU is 10 times better than his RWU.

Dubuisson's forehand cut wasn't very effective, though his LWU forehand was.

Pedro's RWU is average. It's his RWO that is champion level.

Jose Mora doesn't shoot a cross, it's a power straight.

Don James had the best true cross in the game ever.

Jimmy Heilanders RWU was decent but it was his cut that was great and allowed him to get some unders.

I disagree with Jesse Douty rankings because I always felt what made him great was how he played his shots off each other, not the actual shots themselves.

Since Billy didn't list himself, I would put his LWU in top 5 overall.
 
stubbs7 - 18 May 2013
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Nice input Tim. It would be great to hear other people's opinions as well since a list like this is so subjective. We may even come to some type of consensus.

I refer to power straights as crosses from right of center. I think the vernacular used to described shots is too limiting, but that is neither here nor there.

Regarding Davis' list, I would have the top 3 as Tim, Danny and Jesse. If we are talking about of all time.
 
stubbs7 - 18 May 2013
Total Posts: 582
I'm not too sure about Duibosson's FH cut. I've only seen video of him. Things can seem much different when you're actually on the table with someone.
 
tableman - 19 May 2013
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stubbs7 said:
I'm not too sure about Duibosson's FH cut. I've only seen video of him. Things can seem much different when you're actually on the table with someone.


Dubuisson had an extensive forehand attack but it wasn't something that gave me a lot of trouble. Dubuisson most memorably used the forehand attack in the legendary comeback against Jesse Douty in the '83 Finals, the critical games of which were posted to Vimeo by Q.

I think overall, Dubuisson's most devastating shot was his cut. He was also the first one to extensively use a horizontal drift line attack, which he used to crush Robert Hernandez in both Nationals in 1985. Robert finally adjusted to it enough to beat Dubuisson in the '86 finals in Houston, to win his first championship.

BTW Paul Marshall reminded me that Friday (May 17) was the 22nd anniversary of Bob Dubuisson's death.

 
Juggernaut - 12 Jun 2013
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Davisl said:

6-6, 7th game, who is the player you'd least want to defend against?(in my opinion, and this is more based on quality of offense and how many other worldly shots they can hit at any time)

1. Danny Hynes
2. Time Weissman
3. Billy Stubbs
4. Jesse Douty
5. Jose Mora (I can only imagine what having him at 6-6 would be like, haha)
6. Ehab Shoukry
7. Mark Nizzi
8. Owen Giraldo
9. Brian Accrocco
10. Pedro Otero


 
Pedro Otero - 07 Aug 2013
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1- Jose Mora - Cross
2- Tim W. - RWU
3- Danny H. - RWU
4- Billy S. - LWU
5- Jesee D. - Cut
 
carolina phil - 07 Aug 2013
Total Posts: 1084
I don't claim to have the best shot of all time, but thank you Billy for acknowledging my cut shot as respectable.

However, I think that my serve is the best of all time. I have seen it score over and over on everybody. This is because my cut serve consists of three parts: the cut, the rw under, and the cross straight. No one has ever stopped it cold.

Now that I have added the rw over to the same mix, that serve is a scorpion with four stingers.

At 6 to 5 my favor, I will give you the point, so that I can fast draw the cut serve and put you down.

Carolina Phil
 
- 07 Aug 2013
Total Posts: 658
Juggernaut said:
Davisl said:

6-6, 7th game, who is the player you'd least want to defend against?(in my opinion, and this is more based on quality of offense and how many other worldly shots they can hit at any time)

1. Danny Hynes
2. Time Weissman
3. Billy Stubbs
4. Jesse Douty
5. Jose Mora (I can only imagine what having him at 6-6 would be like, haha)
6. Ehab Shoukry
7. Mark Nizzi
8. Owen Giraldo
9. Brian Accrocco
10. Pedro Otero




Wil, You did have him at 6-6 In the 7th game and defeated him In the 2002 T12. This was 9 months after you had only scored 8 Points on him in the world championships. One of the most remarkable matches I had ever seen. People were placing bets about not how many games you would win, But how many points you would score on him in the match. Needless to say, You surpassed all their expectations by the second game, en route to winning. I think since you've been averaging a game or two per match against him, but this match spoke volumes to me about who you are up against, and even if they defeated you badly in the past, you can still find a way to beat them.
Sorry to hijack the thread. Back To Dr Phil. ;) You're cut right wall cross setup is indeed hard to defend.
 
Pedro Otero - 09 Aug 2013
Total Posts: 269
Davisl said:
Nice list Billy, but way too hard for me to comment on. Here is an easier list.

6-6, 7th game, who is the player you'd least want to defend against?(in my opinion, and this is more based on quality of offense and how many other worldly shots they can hit at any time)

1. Wil Upchurch
2. Billy Stubbs
3. Danny Hynes
4. Jimmy Heilander
5. Andy Yevish
6. Anthony Marino
7. Jose Mora
8. Ehab/Tim tie
9. Jesse Douty
10. Mark Nizzi(lots of familiarity, he is a lot higher on other's lists)

Everyone's list is different, I don't have any experience against Pedro, and I would put Brian Q. as an honorable mention. There's a lot of players I don't want to face 6-6, but these are the hardest ones.

Since airhockey is a competition, and i like 6-6 games, this is my list of the players I WANT ahead of me in that situation:

1- Jose
2- Tim
3- Wil
4- Danny
5- Billy
 
Mike C - 17 Aug 2013
Total Posts: 459
A curious question as a follow up to this post:
Who has the best defense of all time? I know from discussions with Brian and Danny and what they have taught to Colin and I, defense is as important as offense. Being able to make solid defensive adjustments in a game can turn it from 4-4 to 7-4 very quickly. If I had to rank the best defense I have ever seen, it would have to be Danny.
 
stubbs7 - 18 Aug 2013
Total Posts: 582
Good topic Mike. IMO, there are two key facets to defense: 1) Pure shot blocking by reading the shot and moving to the correct spot (if you need to move), and 2) snagging loose pucks in transition and corralling blocked shots.

Here is my list of the top-5 defenses of all-time. I have also listed their peak years:

#1) Ehab Shoukry - 2003. He is hands down the all-time best reader of shots. Ehab is a pure shot blocker with little interference. He is impossibly difficult to fool at times.

#2) Tim Weissman - 1996. Tim does not read quite as well as Ehab, but he snags missed overs a bit better. Tim is also excellent at making rapid adjustments.

#3) Danny Hynes - 2012. Danny is great at snagging and interfering with missed shots. He is one of the few (and best) players who can snag missed straight shots.

#4) Owen Geraldo - 1994. He was a pure shot blocker like Ehab. Owen's defense was disciplined and mechanically sound.

#5) Davis Lee - 2006. He is excellent at snagging missed overs and making adjustments.
 
tableman - 18 Aug 2013
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I'll mention the 3 defenses that were/are toughest for me to score on. #1 would be Pedro Otero (1999 Nationals). He stopped me cold. A great "pure shot blocker" as Billy would say.

#2 would be Ehab. Always tough, always solid, very hard to fool.

#3, but not necessarily least, is Mark Nizzi. I think this is a function more of his familiarity with my game than his ability against everyone. Once Nizzi knows your offense, he is uncanny at being there to block the shot, or even snag it or stuff it. He has the same success defending Keith. When he studies someone's game obsessively he can shut them down, as he did against Danny and Tim in challenge matches.
 

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